The pre-existence of the Christ

 

Nowhere in scripture does Jesus claim to have existed as a ‘personal hypostases’, ‘spirit being’ or any other form before he was born.

He makes several statements which people take to mean that he is implying such.

This interpretation is the result of people superimposing their own pre existent theological beliefs upon the word of God as opposed to using scripture to interpret scripture.

 

Remember, Jesus was a Jew and he ministered to people who were of a Jewish mindset.

The concepts of pre-existent spirit beings adopting human form and intermediary co-creators alongside God have their roots in Pagan, Gnostic and Platonic philosophy, not the Old Testament revelation.

 

Because of this Paul warned us:

 

Colossians 2:8 
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

The Son of God is not an eternal being. He did not live in eternity before being born on earth.

Instead he was a mortal man who subsequent to his death was raised from the dead by God and given immortality.

 

The Athanasian creed claims that he was:

  1. ‘Eternally begotten’
  2. ‘begotten, not made’

 

The first statement is self-contradictory

And the second makes 2 words seem contradictory, which are not.

 

1. Christ was not eternally begotten:

 

Psalms 2:7 
¶I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

 

Hebrews 1:5 
For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

 

The expression ‘this day’ narrows the Christ’s being begotten to a fixed point in time subsequent to the creation:

 

Genesis 1:5 
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

 

Before Genesis 1.5, there was no such thing as a day!

 

So then, if the Christ was begotten in time and not in eternity,
and if that point in time was subsequent to the first day,
what day could it be other than the day of his conception when he was ‘made of a woman’?

 

This leads me on to my next point.

Christ was not ‘begotten not made’ as though being one should cancel out his being the other.

The Bible teaches us that he was both:

 

Galatians 4:4 
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman,
made under the law,

 

Hebrews 2:17  
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren,
that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God,
to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

Furthermore, Christ had to have come after Adam.

The Bible makes this very clear:

 

1 Corinthians 15:45 
And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual.

47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

For Jesus to be both ‘the last Adam’ and the ‘second man’ he cannot have existed before Adam
without making a nonsense out of this scripture.

 

So much for the Gnostic idea that human beings are pre-existent spirits imprisoned in bodies.

The rule of scripture for human beings sets forth the following order:

 

1 Corinthians 15:46 
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual.

47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48  As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49  And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

Just as Jesus first bore the image of the earthly, natural human body and then at his resurrection was given a spiritual, incorruptible and glorified human body- so shall we!

This is what Jesus meant when he said:

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

 

 

 

So did Jesus pre-exist?
Only in the plan of God. In his counsel and foreknowledge.

 

God knew Jesus before he was born because:

 

Acts 15:18  
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

 

So, to return to the original question: Did Christ claim to have pre-existed?

To gain a more balanced view, let us look at some of these expressions used by the Christ and see how they are used in other passages of scripture.

 

What Jesus meant by…

 

 

Jesus

The same way we are

Not of this world

John 8:23  
And he said unto them,
Ye are from beneath;
I am from above:
ye are of this world;
I am not of this world.

John 17:14  
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because
they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:16  
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Sent into the world

John 10:36  
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 17:18  
As thou hast sent me into the world,
even so have I also sent them into the world.

Sent from God

John 8:42  
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 1:6  
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

Loved from the foundation of the world

John 17:24  
¶Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:4  
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

An excellent example of God’s dealing with a man according to his foreknowledge is that of Jeremiah. God said to him:

 

Jeremiah 1:5  
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

 

Jeremiah was known, sanctified and ordained for ministry not just before being born, but before he was formed!

 

In the same way Jesus had glory laid up with God from before the foundation of the world.

 

John 17:5  
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory
which I had with thee before the world was.

 

God had laid up glory for Christ before the foundation of the world

In the same way that a parent might set up a trust fund for their child to enter into upon completing their exams.

 

We too have a treasure laid up 'with God'
1 Peter 1:4  
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

 

It wasn't just Jesus' glory which was ordained from before the foundation of the world,

But also the suffering he would pass through in order to enter into it.

 

Revelation 13:8  
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

This is the glory that all the prophets prophesied Christ would receive

That he would be raised from the dead, that by him God would justify many.

That he would be exalted to the right hand of God.

 

Some of which he is yet to enter into:

That he would reign on David's throne forever and that his enemies would be made a footstool.

 

Any message of Jesus having pre-existed before his conception in Mary's womb.

would be a concept so alien to Bible-believing Jews that it would certainly have been accompanied by more explanation, by both Jesus and the Apostles than we are offered.

 

Instead it was that he was:

1.                  Heaven sent

2.                  Not born from beneath (of 'flesh and blood') alone, but also from 'above'
by the overshadowing of Mary by ‘the power of the Most High’
this is what he meant by ‘proceeding forth from God’.

3.                  Foreordained.
(His mission was not an afterthought in the mind of God, but rather, God's motive in creating both the universe and spiritual principalities and powers
Ephesians 2.7 & 3.10-11).

 

I will leave it to Peter to sum up:

 

1 Peter 1  
… Christ…
20  Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,
but was manifest in these last times for you,

21  Who by him do believe in
God, that raised him up from the dead,
and gave him glory;
that your faith and hope might be in God.

 

See link: Did Jesus create the world?

 

 

 

 

1. Introduction

2. The Apostle’s Doctrine

3. Jesus the Christ

4. Mother of God?

5. Jesus
the Son of Man

6. Jesus is not
the Almighty

7. The miracles of Jesus:
How & Why

8. The God of our Lord Jesus Christ

9. Does God Almighty pray?

10. Seen!

11. Does the Bible call the Son, God?

12. The Messiah- Lord or lord?

13. Emmanuel,
God with us

14. This is the gospel of Jesus Christ

15. Jesus accepted worship

16. Did the Son exist before his birth?

17. Jesus- a Godsend

18. 1 Creator

19. Persons or personifications?

20. The firstborn

21. The name of God

 

 

 

 

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